I used to think I understood guys. I have a brother. I have several male friends, one of whom is one of my best friends. Most of my jobs were male dominated and I liked the guys. They weren’t complex. They said what they thought, and yes, when I would walk into one of the common rooms and saw them in the middle of a rubber band fight (these were adult engineers letting off steam), I thought, how fun! And in the days before #Metoo, I was okay with the occasional racy joke. I would laugh at it.
Although I would never permit anyone to do anything that was inappropriate, I was okay with the bawdy jokes and the candor. They can be funny. I currently am one of only a few women in my department at work. That’s fine.
But I get I really don’t know what guys want from women in relationships. I’m still floundering around the dating world and am starting to think I am done.
Case in point. A while back I went out for dinner with someone who was a referral from a friend. I like the referrals! I get some here and there. Easier than the Match or Ourtime or other impersonal dating sites. Referrals are safe and you think, okay, these are good people.
I liked him. Now, I am the type of person who would like to get to know people, maybe become friends, spend some time chatting about our beliefs, experiences, hobbies, and passions. Maybe it will turn into a relationship. Maybe not. But let’s get to know each other. Go out for dinner, a movie, a play. Play board games. Meet friends. See how you are together. Give it a chance. At the least, become a friend.
I have found that guys strike you off after one or maybe two dates. It’s puzzling. I get the “Chemistry” conversation. I understand it. But it’s hard to have guys blow you off with dumb excuses. And it’s not like the men are a 10 on the chemistry dating scale either. I mean, they are looking like my dad! This has been a bit creepy… I am dating men who look like my dad! I’m that old. (Although I will say I was delighted when my trainer thought I was in my early 40’s. I will go with that.)
Or they lost everything in their first or second divorce and are in an apartment. Not that I judge them on that. But they are judging me harshly.
Back to my last date. His excuses for telling me he’s not interested:
- I still work. Okay, I get that – he’s retired. But I love my job, I make a good salary, have fabulous benefits, and tons of vacation time and since I retired from my second business as a cabi stylist I have lots of free time. So, what’s your point, guy? I might retire soon, but I thought I’d at least wait for Medicare. I am working because…I like it.
- I need to be in another relationship first after my divorce so I can go through it. This puzzled me. My interpretation is that he wants to be with someone who failed at a post marriage relationship and then he will date her…??? What? I am in relationships for the long haul. I’m not looking for a rebound booty call. I had a 25-year marriage and loved it. He’s been through two divorces and according to him several more relationships…maybe he’s the common denominator for him still being single. I’m not sure. I just couldn’t understand why he thought it was important that I had to date and fail before I was ready to go out with him. Odd. He told me he wanted to stop it early. I agree.
When we went out and I told him I have a blog, he said, you aren’t going to put me in your blog are you? I said no, because I liked him. But after he shared very confusing messages I think it’s fair game. I’m still mulling over the whole dating aspect and have been chatting with friends. What I get is that I am truly amazing and having fun and if a good guy shows up in my life I would love to know him. But I’m done with the BS.

Hi Kathy,It sounds like he’s shopping and you’re looking for something to bite into for friendship first. It’s his loss!Linda
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This!!
Cheers! Kat
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Dear Kathy, Great post. Your words are very clear (and clever, as usual).
I can remember dating a man who was 20 years older than me – as if I’m dating men my father’s age….. and within that very same month I went on a date with a man who was my son’s age! WHAT!?? A friend gently reminded me that I was dating my age range (was in my 40s then)! I just needed more clarity about the age span I was wanting to relate with. This was long before I was aware of your brother, before 1995.
In your previous post you used the words: “nurse” and “purse” – very effective. You are definitely good with words! And I agree with you about “getting to know” a man and becoming a friend…… It seems it would take some of the pressure off of you, well, them as well.
I liked David because he didn’t want to change me. You, my Dear Kathy, you do not need to be anyone else, you are fine just as you are. I do believe the right man will show up for you. I’m just glad you like yourself and that the merry and intelligent fellow who LIKES you as you are, will be happy to know and love you. These other guys are unsure (from the sounds of it they are selfish pigs!) of themselves!!! It took me at least 11 years to get through the process and find the person who respects me, loves me, doesn’t think I need to change, he likes himself and a lot of our common interests are similar along with our values…. It just took a while. Be relaxed and let it go, I firmly do believe the man you are desiring to share your life with is there. Just be your lovely self and let the rest of it fall into place. And enjoy the process…… you are deserving of FUN, LOVE and a whole lot of JOY!
Okay, heading back out to do more work in the yard.
hugs, just me, LeNore
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